Comments on: Education programming 101: destroy logic

By: Virs

Virs — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 23:39:17 +0000

The milk is drunk and has caused drunkenness…blurred vision, shallow sensations, fear and loathing… Now what? Words, Touching, Light? Each one is not enough…Hence poetry…Separating the three into an educational system from parenting to academia is obstructive, but effective with insobriety. Addiction is broken by freedom, a sunrise or sunset, a true reflection in a ‘magic’ mirror, a conscious orgasm…Do we need more milk? No, we need to learn to die and be reborn. And that brings a responsibility beyond just philosophizing. Sitting on the edge/fence is not an option…But, lo, I forgot, we’re all too busy drinking milk…

By: Larry Noel

Larry Noel — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 03:17:59 +0000

You are exactly correct. It is the due diligent pursuit of Grammar (through etymology) that will eliminate the controlled manipulations through the changing of the meanings of the words, and it is the sum of the whole Method that will balance the equation for a true result. It takes the due diligent use of Grammar to confirm the definitions of the words, then the application of Logic to expose the fallacies, and finally the balancing of the halves (wright/wrong; negative/positive) through Rhetoric that will produce a balanced truth. Science has been manipulated the way it has been by distorting the Trivium Method out of order into the Classic Trivium, and by using a canned Logic that is designed to reinforce the fallacies rather than expose them, then an almost total elimination of Rhetoric by denial of debate (the science is settled and consensus has been reached….), and a constant manipulation of the Grammar (words must always be defined in the positive as to what they are, rather than the negative of what they are not.) The Trivium Method must always be em[ployed in the same order: Grammar/Logic/Rhetoric- and if the order is distorted then the final answer sought will be manipulated out of hand.

By: Bill Thornton

Bill Thornton — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 02:46:17 +0000

“Once upon a time, in medieval universities, new students enrolled in the Trivium. It was the foundation curriculum. It was required. Its parts were: grammar, logic, and rhetoric.”

That constituted the first half of the minimum training.
The 2nd half was “civics”, that branch of political philosophy dealing with personal rights.

The ability to communicate coupled with the ability to enforce one’s freedom was the gateway to a full life.

I suggest that a starting point for the civics portion can be found at 1215.org.

By: ozziethinker

ozziethinker — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 00:12:55 +0000

@Larry

Who, what, when and where are not beyond manipulation and conditioned error, given the right “why”. Given the right ingredients, foul arguments seem plausible, credible and possible. Logic alone is not enough to discern the truth. logic has made science what it is today – limited, conditional truth.

By: Larry Noel

Larry Noel — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 20:51:38 +0000

But that is exactly why logic is denied in religious thought. There are no room for questions. It is still a twisted form of the Trivium Method that is used to get the subjects into a certain preordained thought pattern. The Trivium Method is the escape from all pre-installed thought processes. I call it “The Mental Martial Arts” and freedom is an art too. The Classic Trivium is a weapon that is used against all untrained to deal with it.

By: Michael Burns

Michael Burns — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 18:13:48 +0000

I would contest the second part of your argument…religion has no room for logic, it is based strictly on belief, dogma quantifies belief…logic would be the fly in ointment.
You will need a different word here…logic would destroy the subjective which is basis of indoctrination in religion.
Good point on classical trivium.

By: Max Pont

Max Pont — Sat, 06 Dec 2014 20:40:16 +0000

The source of this evil: postmodernism and cultural marxism.

By: Larry Noel

Larry Noel — Sat, 06 Dec 2014 18:54:31 +0000

But there are two Triviums. There is the Trivium Method where Grammar is used to define “Who, What, When, and Where” then Logic is used to define “Why” and finally Rhetoric is used to define “How.” The second Trivium is called the “Classic Trivium” and it is what they teach in the elite private schools and this is where they attempt to answer “Why” before even quantifying “Who, What, Where, or When.” This places the Rhetoric before the Grammar and they are now trained in how to answer a question with a thousand words without touching on the original subject.

Religion confounds thought processes by skewing the order and placing Logic at the beginning, and it is an impossibility to answer “Why” without first quantifying “Who, What, When, and Where” and then an almost total elimination of Rhetoric completes the process to create a non thinking human who never questions and always accepts the Logic placed before them.

By: brad

brad — Sat, 06 Dec 2014 17:40:46 +0000

Exactly right!

By: ozziethinker

ozziethinker — Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:52:05 +0000

@Gary

Whereas this is true, to a degree. In fact elite schools merely foster “networks” of dunderheads, for the most part.

“They” know education cannot be forced. Dogma discourages individuals to think for themselves CEO’s down. Whereas the trivium and quadrivium MIGHT offer an improvement on “conditioning by rote”, schooling relies on good teachers. Bad teachers close down a student’s will. They assert originality is “rubbish”. There you have the “American System” top to bottom.

No matter which schooling method that’s applied outcomes are constant.

Occasionally individuals pop up that cannot and will not be led. Fortunately, I could spell before I could walk and the only reason I did not write is my hands were too small for a crayon. We, true thinkers, are a rare commodity.