Comments on: The operation called “engineered consensus”

By: olivefarmer

olivefarmer — Sat, 18 Jul 2015 12:24:32 +0000

Engineered consensus playing out in Greece, but may go wrong there, where TV viewing figures are the lowest in Europe and there is a tradition of distrust in anything official, because they know that the politicians rip them off. Will it be different this time? Analysis at http://olivefarmercrete.blogspot.gr/

By: bdbinc

bdbinc — Thu, 30 Apr 2015 04:00:32 +0000

“Assertion is bondage. To question and deny is necessary. It is the essence of revolt and without a revolt there can be no freedom.” S.N.M

From childhood the mind of a human being is conditioned to not revolt.
This unquestioning obedience is relied on as it makes a prison. Revolt against “culture” as it is naught but a collection of bars.

By: jacobite2015

jacobite2015 — Thu, 30 Apr 2015 02:28:33 +0000

Thanks Sherlock for the info, I didn’t know much about the NIH. And the fact that they have financial ties to the pharma industry doesn’t surprise me.

By: catherinescolvin

catherinescolvin — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 22:26:03 +0000

Reblogged this on A Musing Phrontistery and commented: This is how the 1% changes us. Great read.

By: bdbinc

bdbinc — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 19:55:24 +0000

The pseudo science used today can also be called “consensus science”.
This is how false ideas such as “Man made global warming”
“Wall street’s carbon trading game is needed & will save the planet” are spread throughout the population. Yet there is no such thing as man made global warming and a carbon tax would lead to starvation and more poverty as it would increase food costs for the global monopolies that now control food (and want control over all water).

By: theodorewesson

theodorewesson — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:37:18 +0000

just to add re: Julie Gerberding,…

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/09/10/cdc-whistleblower-this-is-the-real-smoking-gun/

By: Sherlock

Sherlock — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 15:30:50 +0000

CDC and NIH are two divisions of the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). Both agencies have financial ties to the pharmaceutical industries for sure. There is a massive revolving door between these government agencies and Big Pharma.

Julie Gerberding, former director of the CDC became the president of Merck’s vaccine unit, Elias Zerhouni, former director of the NIH became the president of Sanofi-Aventis’ research labs, etc.

This article states that In 2003, the NIH with Zerhouni at its head faced grave accusations when it came to light that hundreds of its scientists had to the medical and pharmaceutical industries”

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/11/27/nabel-trades-dream-job.aspx

By: John C. A. Manley

John C. A. Manley — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:17:03 +0000

Brilliant piece. I especially liked this line: “arguments so illogical and bizarre that people accept them, thinking they themselves must be missing the point;”

Sadly, that type of (lack of) thinking spreads like a virus into every level of society, right down to relations with friends and family.

By: jacobite2015

jacobite2015 — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 08:38:34 +0000

Excellent analysis Jon, I think this especially applies to the vaccine issue. You see a lot of this “engineered consensus” on the ever so popular “scienceblogs,” involving the heated vaccine debate.

But these are powerful forums/groups that seem to have an answer for every rebuttal of the pro-vaccine safety/effectiveness issue. Who are these regulars? Pharma reps? Unemployed pharma researchers? Wannabe scientists? Besides appearing everyday, 24-7, they all seem to read from a script (are they even real people or a computer program?).

They repeat the same old nauseating mantra of “vaccines work and are far safe safer than the diseases they prevent” and “the dose is the poison” and so on. If you state that the CDC is supported by big pharma and that CDC vaccine safely studies are, therefore, bias, they respond that many safety studies are done by the National Institute of Health, which they state has no ties to the CDC (does anyone know if this is true or not?).

And even if someone has posted that they love/embrace/cherish vaccines but support pro-choice for others, the typical response is: “with freedoms comes responsibilities.” They’re even character assassinating RFK, Jr (trace amounts) for going on the Bill Maher show and stating that he’s pro-vaxx but also supporting choice for others.

I’ve never seen a more ruthless, inconsiderate, demeaning, fear-mongering, antagonistic, condescending, repugnant, imperious (did I leave anything out?) group of jerks in my life!

By: Sherlock

Sherlock — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 06:32:04 +0000

The Asch Conformity Experiments in the 1950s demonstrated how people are influenced by the majority in a group. People often conform to the group, even when they know all the others are wrong. The guy in this short video does exactly what Jon says: “He prefers consent to difference”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA-gbpt7Ts8