Comments on: Virus fakery: my conversation with a virologist https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2015/09/14/virus-fakery-my-conversation-with-a-virologist/ NoMoreFakeNews.com Mon, 21 Sep 2015 16:37:13 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.2.10 By: caduceusxx https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2015/09/14/virus-fakery-my-conversation-with-a-virologist/#comment-17720 Mon, 21 Sep 2015 16:37:13 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=12198#comment-17720 Thanks Theodore here is Hoyle on biology in general:

  “Because the old believers said that God came out of the sky,
        thereby connecting the Earth with events outside it, the new
        believers were obliged to say the opposite and to do so, as always,
        with intense conviction. Although the new believers had not a
        particle of evidence to support their statements on the matter, they
        asserted that the rabbit producing sludge (called soup to make it
        sound more palatable) was terrestrially located and that all chemical
        and biochemical transmogrifications of the sludge were terrestrially
        inspired. Because there was not a particle of evidence to support
        this view, new believers had to swallow it as an article of faith,
        otherwise they could not pass their examinations or secure a job or
        avoid the ridicule of their colleagues. So it came about from 1860
        onward that new believers became in a sense mentally ill, or, more
        precisely, either you became mentally ill or you quitted the subject
        of biology, as I had done in my early teens. The trouble for young
        biologists was that, with everyone around them ill, it became
        impossible for them to think they were well unless they were ill,
        which again is a situation you can read all about in the columns of
        Nature.” (Hoyle F., 1999, pp3-4).
cadxx

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By: groet@kpnplanet.nl https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2015/09/14/virus-fakery-my-conversation-with-a-virologist/#comment-17719 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:43:17 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=12198#comment-17719 Hello Jon, I forgot in my last email to close the circle I tried to communicate. I started with mister Gallo who maybe would be aware of the real cause of disease on a global scale like HIV/aids/cancer ETCETERA. Mr. Gallo may be well aware of the effectiveness of Dr Hamer his purposeful special biological programmes theory which he has proven in his therapeutical practice and for which therapeutical he is being haunted by judicial authorities throughout Europe. Mr. Gallo may well be aware that not an HIV virus or AIDS virus or whatever is the culprit of the HIV-patients with plummeting CD4 counts and soaring viral loads supposedly HIV virus loads. Mr.Gallo and a limited number of other autorities may be well aware that the whole communication, mass media propaganda on HIV/AIDS/CANCER et cetera is the very essential core of the disease causing mechanism because of the multitude of Conflict Einschlags, so mental traumas causing physical traumas, on a global scale. Brainwashing mass media communication could be the essential factor in the cause and effect chain and these elite medical specialist researchers like Gallo who may be totally in the know about the secret mechanism behind all systemic disease. As you may be aware of, in NAZI Germany medical research has been executed in the Concentration Camps. These studies are called with a Free Macons coded message, vierziger Jahre Studien if I may well have remembered the terminology. You can find more information about these studies in a book written by Peter Yoda who as a whistleblowing Insider has written a book about some Free Macons secret knowledge. A number of camp inmates were divided into three groups. I remember one experimental condition. So one group had no Cholera but was told they had contracted Cholera disease. Another experimental group was told after investigation: you DO NOT HAVE CONTRACTED CHOLERA, where as in FACT they had Cholera. Guess which group had the higher death toll. The higher death toll was amongst the people who were told they had contracted Cholera disease. I regard Peter Yoda’s information as a confirmation of Dr. Hamer’s therapeutical successes and Dr. Hamer’s purposeful special biological programmes. For me the very essence of getting seriously ILL may be found in somebodies fear as caused by a medical docter’s communication the moment the doctor is pronouncing a verdict. If this would be evidenced to be the case, fear as a disease causing weapon is the ultimate global weapon applied to get as many people seriously ill as possible aiming at treating them with hopeless and proven to be ineffective but very expansive therapies like chemo and radiation, which they have to pay for heavily in order to gradually enlarge the turnover of the medical-industrial-lethal-complex. Primary weapon to be concluded to kill an increasing number of people is the constant bombardment with fear inducing messages through any channel imaginable and organisable on a continental even a global scale. White coats are an important but sure not the only part of this lethal orchestration. You have been working from the MATRIX concept, I really do appreciate. I think an important part of the MATRIX can exist because we as individuals allow FEAR to take control of our thinking, our whole mental and body system. Knowledge and awareness have to be developed in order to produce in our inner selves a counter force which is FAR more powerful than this medical weapon from the MATRIX. I myself recently experienced a Conflict Einschlag and I managed to heal myself by finding a conflict solution within a couple of weeks. The result of the conflict active phase was a extremely wet right eye ball, which I had noticed already but could not explain for. All of a sudden I woke up on a tuesday morning the 5th of August and I had 4 filters in the glass body of my right eye. I could not see in my focus center with my right eye only. I could go a little bit around this blind spot by opening my left eye. This phenomenon is called floating images, I had four of them all over my vision field. It wasn’t a shock, it was 4 me a situation and phenomenon to study and analyse. I wrote down all the factors I could think of during our summer holiday weeks. I started the materialistic analysis. What have I been eating or not eating, drinking, nutrients, supplements with which I stopped, et cetera et cetera. I found no materialistic explanation. Next phase I started from the New German Medicin theoretical framework to analyse the situation. My family decided to go for a short holiday in France near Calais and Dunkerque, after which I would travel by bike along the coast back to our place in the Netherlands and my wife and son would travel with friends to the UK direction Stonehenge country and crop circles. They went for the Ferry boat and of course I wanted to say goodbye in the port some hour biking from the camping spot we said goodbye to each other. Arriving between a traffic jam of trucks and lorries at the Ferry boat port ending up before house high barbed wired customs area with the Ferry boat far away in the background. I tried to get my family on the mobile phone, no answer, no way. All of a sudden I realised I was totally alone, isolated with NO good bye to my family. This was wednesday the 22nd of july if I am correct. I had a very nice ride from Dunkerque in perfect sunny weather back home to our place by a special bike, a Rainbow. It’s not the usual bike, but a bike on which you lie and I had my steer underneath me. In fact I had to start learning to drive this type of bike from scrath which was quite stressfull right indeed. Yet, I managed to get home in three days, surviving a top speed crash about 10 kilometers from home. The saturday 25th we had a heavy storm in our country, Beaufort 10 near our place in North Holland. I tried again to call my family and a very good friend. Again NO ANSWER on my mobile phone calls until tuesday the 28th of july late afternoon. My wife and son arrived back from UK holiday saturday second of August, early in the morning. This was in retrospect my Conflict Solution. We were finally together again, safe and sound. Tuesday 5th my healing phase resulted in the appearance of the before mentioned four filters, floating images partly right in my right eyes center, preventing my from seeing through the filters at that spot. After approximately 1 month and 13 days nearly all the filters have disappeared apart from two remnants which vaguely are floating around in my right eye ball someway somewhere. Actually I am quite confident they will disappear after another month from now. What I forgot to tell you is that healing phase may be accompanied by headaches in the region of the brain which is controlling the physical bodies location reaction. According to dr. Hamer’s brain map, right eye glass body is controlled by some location at the back of my head on the left side. This headache was present during many days of the healing phase up until now, be it gradually diminishing. Regular doctors on the basis of a CT-scan would determine probably I had contracted a brain cancer, which is by definition impossible since brain cells cannot multiply like cancer cells elsewhere in the body are said to do. Nevertheless this is the propaganda and pseudo-science applied to many people. Of course I did not go to the doctors let alone the hospital or the specialists. This would be the wrong course of action, senseless to expose myself to the dogma’s and mental pressure from white coats, so I wanted to rely on my own analysis of the situation and wait and see what happens and see to what measure the Hamer theory and therapeutical evidence did also apply to my “disease”-case. My conflict Einschlag amounts to a visual conflict of divorce. At the Ferry terminal I was forced to NOT SEE WHAT I EXPECTED AND DEARLY WANTED TO SEE, say and wave goodbye to my wife and son. This dramatic experience triggered the purpuseful special biological programme which I tried to describe above. This is also why I was hit by a phenomenon in one of my eyes. Hamer’s theory also gives an explanation why it was my right eye and not my left eye. Once you understand the system, the theory and practice, you are well protected against the dire consequences of some systemic or nasty diseases and even more so, you are well protected against ineffective and pointless regular white coat remedies and therapies. Once I have found a translation of dr. Hamer’s New German Medicine from German or Dutch into English I will let you know. Let me know if you are interested in this. Good Luck. Groet, Jan Ligthart Good luck. Groet, Jan Ligthart

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By: groet@kpnplanet.nl https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2015/09/14/virus-fakery-my-conversation-with-a-virologist/#comment-17718 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:34:05 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=12198#comment-17718 Jon, Thank you very much for your story about your AIDS/HIV investigation from 1987. Gallo has said himself what the real purpose was of the “AIDS-virus”: killing big parts of the global population. Even this may not be true. This Gallo guy is acting like a modern era Judas. When everybody who is suffering from lung disease can be determined to have a certain multitude of Tuberculosis bacteria in his or her lungs, methodologically speaking one could speak of a correlation between the two. Evidence of a rigid cause and effect relation still has to be produced. Any time soon anybody is presenting research providing this cause effect evidence, NEVER, methodologically speaking in science philosophy a THIRD VARIABLE cannot be excluded from showing up later on as the determining factor causing THE DISEASE WHICH via fraudulent test procedures is called AIDS / HIV / CANCER et cetera. They are walking in the dark and they do not care as long as they receive their research fundings and as long as they are able to maintain their egoistic financial and societal status. Is is all about corrupt science to cover the true agenda which is hiding the truth by corrupt academics which know in private but have sworn to shut up in public about all the questions, inconsistencies, methodological flaws in studies et cetera. Since science and scientific statement is preserved to the scientific aristocracy nearly nobody dares to put his academic career, income, mortgage payments et cetera at risk. Most people comply and confirm, right so especially in University and Academics. These high priests of a modern scientific propagandistic religion are hired to cheat on the masses who are not allowed to think of themselves, even not all the other but medicine academic disciplines are not allowed to have a judgment of the pharmaceutical, medical, biochemical research. You confirmed end eighties last century HIV presence in 35 to 60 percent of the diseased patients surveys. So in more than 50 percent of the diseased cases marked as HIV/AIDS-patient-cases, a HIV could not be confirmed???!!!! IMHO there is no better evidence this whole HIV is a fraud. Suppose gravity field would by a new concept in physics. Suppose in 35 to 60 percent of the cases, given the existence of a gravity field, the apple does fall from the tree, so in 65 to 40 percent of the cases the apple DOES NOT FALL FROM THE TREE. Given all numbers in these cases equal, which I do not know, but let us suppose, then in 52,5 percent of the cases the apple DOES NOT FALL FROM THE TREE. So Gravity theory would be simply dismissed as not a good enough explanation of the phenomenon of apples falliing from trees. Happily, in 100 percent of the cases apples fall from trees WORLDWIDE provided you wait long enough in autum to see this happen and gather the supporting evidence of Newton’s theory which is replicated time and agina people ALL FROM HIGH RISES E.G. or apples fall from trees. Now, let us get back to this socalled medical science. On the basis of sheer methodological analysis medical science at least in the HIV/AIDS-case has proven to be no science at all. In the apple analogy many medical professionals and researchers are busy propagandising to the people that ALL APPLES FALL FROM THE TREES, WHEREAS THEY KNOW ONLY A 52,5 percentage APPLES FALL FROM THE TREES, BUT THEY KEEP THIS FACT FROM THE PUBLIC, THEY KEEP IT A SECRET AND GO ON COMMITTING PROPAGANDA WHICH THEY OF COURSE CALL MEDICAL SCIENCE. Since they are dressed with a white coat and the public has been conditioned to hand over their independant thinking and decision making to the doctor, the white coat STOPS their independant thinking and arguing. So part of the game is MIND CONTROL BY WHITE COATS. Other part of the MIND CONTROL is that many doctors have taken up an attitude of paramount and uncontrolled authority. NEVER contradict a doctor?? How dare you?!! How dare you think for yourselves?!! The funny part of this is: the doctor has in many cases not been trained or has not trained himself to think for him or herself and in many cases they even do not realise themselves this is the case. Now let us go back to the eighties: we received via the mass media a barrage of news articles and TV programs in which the horrific victims of AIDS disease were presented with their secondary infections like Kaposi syndrom e.g. All the people were frightened to death by all these pictures, stories, dying walking carcases, supposedly gay people only, but still many a people were scared to death by many communications on a global scale. Now, guess what happens, you are worried at the time and even nowadays, you decide to put your body into the test and the test says: you ARE HIV positive. After all these preparations, after this TEST-RESULT, we may better say, this SUPPOSED, but FRAUDULENT test-result, YOU AND I, WOULD WITHOUT ANY FURTHER CONTRADICTING AND INVESTIGATIVE AND CRITICAL INFORMATION, BE SCARED TO DEATH. This is one of my important questions: What about the possibility that this combination of TERRORIZING AND FEAR MONGERING AIDS/HIV-CAMPAIGN together with this FRAUDULENT TEST-RESULT in its own right of simply stating the VERDICT by way of the white coated doctors mouth that you and I have tested positive on THE HIV or AIDS test, has as a direct 100 percent EFFECT that we get sick??!!!! This is what the New German Medicine is about. IMHO a true revolution in “medical science”. It could be providing a THIRD VARIABLE which could be the nearly hundred percent determining factor of people falling seriously ill to any systemic disease. Of course, any third variable explanation has to be investigated on its own merits, but as far as my experience has brought me, dr. Geert Ryke Hamer’s hypothesis, has a big chance of being confirmed in scientific replication research. Dr. Hamer is talking about a special, purposeful biological program which could be started after a traumatic experience, a traumatic communication by somebody or a traumatic realisation. Three conditions: it happens all of a sudden, the content is dramatic and the result is an ultimate feeling of isolation and lonelyness. Dr. Hamer calls this a Conflict Einschlag in German language. There are many types of Conflict Einschlag with different biological programs being started in somebody’s physical body. Either somewhere in the persons body cells will be multiplied in a rapid speed – e.g. pancreas “cancer” or they will be diminished in a rapid speed – e.g. osteoporosis. After solving this conflict the person can go into healing phase. This conflict solution has a mental character or component which switches the biological program into healing gear. In the specific tissue which is multiplied, superfluous “cancer”-cells will be broken down by bacteria or funghi or viruses if they do exist and in the case of diminishing tissue the total bone structure for instance will be rebuilt and as a result be stronger as ever before. This is New German Medicine in a nutshell. A very well documented cause effect relation between a certain type of personal mental experience and a physical effect on a specific spot in the brains which on its own right is controlling a certain type of tissue on a well determined spot in the physical body of the person. I have been looking into this New German Medicine for some time and I find it very fascinating, even more so, revolutionary as an alternative explanation of many diseases which are on the rise in our socalled modern days world. Wish you the best. Jan Ligthart

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By: PJ London https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2015/09/14/virus-fakery-my-conversation-with-a-virologist/#comment-17717 Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:08:06 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=12198#comment-17717 Last week I did not have a cold. My immune system was working fine. This week I have a cold. My immunity is deficient.
My God! I have Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome.
AIDS, Ozone Hole, AGW, Climate Change, all scams to skim money from taxpayers and put into the pockets of “friends of” (donors to) the politicians.
All total nonsense.

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By: Forest https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2015/09/14/virus-fakery-my-conversation-with-a-virologist/#comment-17716 Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:31:50 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=12198#comment-17716 Yeah, when careers are on the line, lives suddenly no longer matter. So much for modern medicine!

To his credit, Duesberg sacrificed his career for showing the obvious, HIV (or for that matter, any retrovirus) has never caused any disease and never will. Even Albert Sabin agreed with him. Duesberg ought to get the Nobel for his intellectual honesty.

In his ground breaking book, Duesberg showed that AIDS is not an infectious disease but a fancy name for a number of disorders caused by immunosuppressive drugs, poppers and starvation (see “Inventing the AIDS virus”), and, of course, the shelved cancer drug AZT, shelved by Burrough-Welcome in 1964 because it killed people via T-cell destruction, and “re-discovered” by Sam Broder et al. who “suggested” it as treatment for AIDS because they knew it caused a drug-induced form of AIDS and would procure a steady supply of AIDS patients. And the money started flowing…

Duesberg was discounted because he inadvertently pointed out the multibillion dollar HIV research fraud which others had already identified as part of a covert genocidal depopulation effort. The AIDS scam was supposedly going to solve a big part of the “overpopulation problem”, by way of deception. However, contrary to assertions by disinformation agents Horowitz, Cantwell, and others, the HIV always was, and always will be, just a harmless decoy.

The AIDS scam was kicked off via the mass injection of the genetically engineered mycoplasm incognitans, and/or possibly of other engineered agents from Ft. Detrick, into undesirable populations. One such injection campaign was performed under CIA project MKNAOMI by ex-Soviet agent Wolf Szmuness (former room-mate of Polish zionazi chemical salesman Józef Wojtyła, later Pope John Paul II) into US homosexual men, via an experimental 1978 Hep B vaccination campaign in 3 US cities (6 cities were injected, but only 3 had the microbe), and/or NIH’s special virus cancer program; and others by polio vaccine in Africa and Brazil, and WHO knows what else!

As to the rest of the population culling…medical treatment kills 2.2 million a year in the US alone. This was pre-Obamacare and pre-mandatory vaccines! It can only get better. There is no telling how many poor ignorant suckers will succumb to microwave irradiation from telecommunication devices, cell phone masts, satellites, and from poisons released into the environment, chemtrails, Fukushima, … etc. Get ready for a popular new perfume with unfortunate long-term adverse effects that conquers world markets.. or whatever.

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By: Ed Stratford https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2015/09/14/virus-fakery-my-conversation-with-a-virologist/#comment-17715 Tue, 15 Sep 2015 22:45:09 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=12198#comment-17715 Peter Duesburg explains very clearly what does cause AIDS; Malnutrition, Foreign proteins from unfiltered blood transfusions, Cytotoxic drugs like heroin and methamphetamine etc., Amylnitrate/butylnitrate (poppers, which induce Karposis sarcomas which will land you with an AIDS diagnosis). None of which has anything to do with a retrovirus. Retroviruses in fact are the mechanism which transfer genetic improvements caused by healthy living and learning to our reproductive cells and are therefore an important part of our evolutionary machinery.

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By: General Maddox https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2015/09/14/virus-fakery-my-conversation-with-a-virologist/#comment-17714 Tue, 15 Sep 2015 21:04:41 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=12198#comment-17714 Reblogged this on Real News Australia.

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By: PJ London https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2015/09/14/virus-fakery-my-conversation-with-a-virologist/#comment-17713 Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:41:00 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=12198#comment-17713 In the late 1980’s I gave a presentation to about 80 Libertarians which said “there is no such thing as AIDS” the very concept was rubbish. If you have Cancer, they test your blood, if HIV pos. then you have AIDS of not HIV pos. then you just have Cancer. If you have TB than they … etc. It was just rubbish science, no scientific methodology at all.
I said there was no scientific valid study to show that HIV increased your chances of getting any of the diseases list as AIDS.
Needless to say with all the hype in the media, I was scorned.
However, the chairman of the group, who had funds to spare, decided to employ two medical students to use their December vacation to check the medical science journals, papers etc and prove me wrong.
After 8 weeks, they started talking about the fact that they could find no evidence at all, plenty of articles but no scientifically valid evidence, anywhere, that HIV increased the incidence of disease and they started discussing the investigation with others.
They had two responses:
1) they were called into the Deans office and told that they should concentrate on their studies and that if they continued to make these allegations they would be dismissed from the University.
2) All the other students became very angry with the investigators at the information that AIDS could not be verified and refused to talk about it.
They could not believe that people reacted in that way, anger and denial by colleagues, and threats by the University. They reported to the chairman and let it go. So far as I know, they became doctors.
It is interesting that South Africa has the best historical medical records, by region, of virtually any country, going back to1910 and the Union of South Africa. It was clear that one region (Northern Natal) had very high HIV rates (I think around 30-40%)and another, the Kimberly area, had very low rates (<1%). It was expected that the incidence of cancers etc would start to show. Of course this didn't happen and the President at the time said that AIDS is nonsense (wonder where he heard that).
Very soon, the world pressure and incentives from the Pharmas had RSA change its' tune.
They are still waiting for any of the disease rates to show up in what is now KZN.

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By: Jolly Roger https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2015/09/14/virus-fakery-my-conversation-with-a-virologist/#comment-17712 Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:25:22 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=12198#comment-17712 There’s a lot more to this story that might interest you:
http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/bad-medicine/134613

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By: Theodore https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2015/09/14/virus-fakery-my-conversation-with-a-virologist/#comment-17711 Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:10:33 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=12198#comment-17711 just to add,…

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-12-18/news/8604040650_1_controversial-theory-british-aids-sir-fred-hoyle

Astronomer Believes Aids Has Far-out Origin
December 18, 1986|By Robin Mickie, London Observer.

LONDON — A controversial and bizarre new theory has been put forward by astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle to account for the mystery of the origin of AIDS. According to Hoyle, it came from outer space.

His theory, worked out in collaboration with Prof. Chandra Wickramasinghe of University College, Cardiff, was outlined in a letter to the Daily Telegraph of London last week.

Not surprisingly, it has been dismissed by many British AIDS experts.

Indeed, many view his latest outburst as final proof that Hoyle, a maverick figure who has become increasingly isolated from mainstream research thought, has finally overstepped the limits of acceptable scientific eccentricity.

In fact, Hoyle`s letter claims that viruses from outer space are also responsible for many other recent epidemics in Britain, including

Legionnaires` disease and meningitis.

According to his theory, comets carry bacteria and viruses which bring diseases to Earth.

“A small comet disintegrating low in the atmosphere could lead to pathogens` being brought down in rainstorms that are geographically localized,“ Hoyle and Wickramasinghe say.

“The comets responsible for new diseases such as AIDS are admittedly rare objects, but the sudden injection into the human population of at least three disjoint viruses point decisively to an input that is external to the Earth.

“We think it most likely in each instance primary entry was secured through infected rainwater entering lesions in feet in the mainly barefoot populations of the Third World with subsequent transmissions proceeding through human contact.“

They urge that a major international effort is needed to carry out “a rigorous and continuous microbiological surveillance of rainwater and of groundwater on a worldwide scale.“

“The survival of our species may well be contingent upon this,“ they say.

But such alarmist ideas are viewed as fantasy by other scientists.

“Quite simply, there is absolutely no evidence to support their theory,“ said Dr. Jonathan Weber, an AIDS expert at the Institute of Cancer Research here.

Weber said there were six major types of theory that could account for the recent and dramatic emergence of AIDS as a widespread killer in North America, Africa and Europe.

Most scientists now believe either that AIDS existed among humans in remote populations and has only broken out recently, or that it has spread for animals, in particular monkeys, in the last few years.

Certainly, very few will be swayed by Hoyle`s latest offering or will take seriously his controversial theory.

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