Comments on: The fallacy of circular reasoning: a vast infection in public discourse https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2017/01/09/the-fallacy-of-circular-reasoning-a-vast-infection-in-public-discourse/ NoMoreFakeNews.com Wed, 11 Jan 2017 07:56:42 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.2.10 By: Ozzie Thinker https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2017/01/09/the-fallacy-of-circular-reasoning-a-vast-infection-in-public-discourse/#comment-27128 Wed, 11 Jan 2017 07:56:42 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=16891#comment-27128 Very good comment,

I regularly find “sceptics” are incapable of seeing beyond their own shallow views.

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By: bleak (@bleak) https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2017/01/09/the-fallacy-of-circular-reasoning-a-vast-infection-in-public-discourse/#comment-27127 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 17:37:33 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=16891#comment-27127 Isn’t circular reasoning another name for solipsism?

noun
1. Philosophy. the theory that only the self exists, or can be proved to exist.
2. Extreme preoccupation with and indulgence of one’s feelings, desires, etc.; egoistic self-absorption.

In other words, all of my senses indicate that it’s true so… it’s true.

Total subjectivity.

Sophists are another bunch of bananas.

noun
1. Any of a class of professional teachers in ancient Greece who gave instruction in various fields, as in general culture, rhetoric, politics, or disputation. A person belonging to this class at a later period who, while professing to teach skill in reasoning, concerned himself with ingenuity and specious effectiveness rather than soundness of argument.
2. A person who reasons adroitly and speciously rather than soundly.
3. A philosopher.

The first sophist (according to wikipedia anyway lol) was Protagoras, “whose theory said “Man is the measure of all things”, meaning Man decides for himself what he is going to believe.” Sophists were said to be refuted by Aristotle and Plato.

After many encounters with circular reasoners, solipsists and sophists, I’ve come to the conclusion that arguing with them is futile. Some of them love to argue (as opposed to logically debate) and fall back on solipsism as their only “reasoning.” Most of them are just mind-controlled morons. It’s important to realize who and what you are dealing with when encountering such people. Now I just point at them and say “you’re a solipsist” and walk away. Let them “reason” with that.

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By: Ozzie Thinker https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2017/01/09/the-fallacy-of-circular-reasoning-a-vast-infection-in-public-discourse/#comment-27126 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 05:10:46 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=16891#comment-27126 You occasionally write pieces that really strike a chord, get beneath the skin and nail it. This is one of your better efforts, Jon.

In fact, you (in some ways) mirror my own yet-to-be-released essay, titled “Callous Abuses of the Word “Abuse””. Unlike you, I really get into the difficult areas, the topics NO ONE wants to discuss. I happen to think you would get enormous value out it, if you found the time to review it once published. Here’s a sneak peak:

“…Perhaps anyone else would have said “sovereign choice” in place of liberty. However, sovereign individuality potentially conflicts with social liberty and the distorters of “abuse” know that all too well. Mankind is heading towards totalitarianism, the only utopian alternative to communion, at a rapid rate. There are two fundamental versions of the slave/master paradigm. One is labelled fascism. This form of order is built on the premise that the fabric of commerce is strong enough to regulate social charters. Evidence might appear in the form of something like, shall we say, corporate responsibility whereby employees are bound by “the law” and their company manifesto. Companies seeking new employees (of all rank) would rate assessment of authority documentation (official identification, police check, bankruptcy report and so on) as the most important stage of the internment process under fascist totalitarianism. Penal facilities would be run by privateers. Marxism, the other totalitarian model, is very similar, except the social charter is outsourced to government and, consequentially, core business might be nationalised.

Sovereign individuals disrupt utopian society (per the fascist/Marxist models). Societies are governed by standards and these might conceivably be eroded by abusers. Therefore, logically, abuse of the word abuse relies on the distortion of truth, which allows the marginalisation of social values geared to reducing sovereign choice to an effect of social conditioning or not at all. Society masters impose order on members as parents oppress their children. In today’s society children are broken into conformation in what could be a lifelong family battle. The regime treats its members with common impunity. As children are conditioned into responding to family boundaries, so too are society’s members. Freedom is limited to “they tell me this is allowed”. Abuse has been distorted as a consequence of “that which isn’t allowed”. True violation is secondary and largely irrelevant now.

Flawed logic can be expanded. If abuse is symptom of that which defies freedom, our vile powers may as well argue they protect those locked up in prisons from the world at large. Under that premise, they would do detainees a great service. The whole foundation of abuse as a concept has been twisted in this way. Expanding on my incarceration metaphor, it might be argued that though people are taken, against their will, they are actually thrown into cramped cells “for their own good”, so how can this be “abuse”? Though currently, for my research, the justice system hasn’t made claims of this nature, it’s only a matter of time before it happens….”

Best
OT

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By: Prescott https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2017/01/09/the-fallacy-of-circular-reasoning-a-vast-infection-in-public-discourse/#comment-27125 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 02:55:46 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=16891#comment-27125 Thanks Jon. This is a good article.

After beginning to seriously studying logic, I’ve realized I wasn’t going to start thinking clearly by flipping a mental switch. I can’t simply “turn on the lights” and illuminate my thought processes in a second. Rather, honing the mind takes a concerted effort over time.

I may slip and stumble in the haze of propaganda occasionally., But, every day I study logic I become more adept at navigating the numerous pitfalls.

The study of logic is a grand undertaking, with equally grand rewards. The best part is you reap what you sow (a clearer, more focused mind) every day.

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By: From Quebec https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2017/01/09/the-fallacy-of-circular-reasoning-a-vast-infection-in-public-discourse/#comment-27124 Mon, 09 Jan 2017 23:32:30 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=16891#comment-27124 Circular reasoning of MSM and his audience.

Best Compilation- People Who Laughed at TRUMP…and said he would never be President – FUNNY!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahkMA6JPOHU

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By: leslie https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2017/01/09/the-fallacy-of-circular-reasoning-a-vast-infection-in-public-discourse/#comment-27123 Mon, 09 Jan 2017 23:02:15 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=16891#comment-27123 Absolutely. People who are very sophisticated and well-educated use their advantage to concoct the most flimsy of cotton candy fabrications which are consumed by the masses with no question at all – precisely because they have never been taught how to think critically. Two wonderful (and shockingly glaring) examples of this that come to mind are the drivel you will find at the Federal Bank’s website and at the World Bank’s website…as well as all the fluff pieces that get written by their obedient shills and printed unquestioningly in the Atlantic and the Economist. On dark days they make for some good belly laughs..

Thinking critically and employing logic in every situation needs to be taught beginning in early education. It requires training and practice. We get none of that because, in letting the state raise our children (and most of us were raised in public school) the state has its own agenda i.e. to make good workers who never question anything and who conform and consume passively. Don’t let the state raise your children and do learn and practice all concepts of critical thinking.

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By: andy https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2017/01/09/the-fallacy-of-circular-reasoning-a-vast-infection-in-public-discourse/#comment-27122 Mon, 09 Jan 2017 18:14:29 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=16891#comment-27122 Totally right.the elite jesuit masons have been exposed.

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By: Oliver K. Manuel https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2017/01/09/the-fallacy-of-circular-reasoning-a-vast-infection-in-public-discourse/#comment-27121 Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:40:13 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=16891#comment-27121 The danger of nuclear radiation was perhaps wildly exaggerated after WWII, but it is real.

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By: Oliver K. Manuel https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2017/01/09/the-fallacy-of-circular-reasoning-a-vast-infection-in-public-discourse/#comment-27120 Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:30:49 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=16891#comment-27120 “Consensus science” is circular reasoning.

We humans were endowed by our Creator with inalienable rights to enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, as Jefferson publicly proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence on 4 July 1776.

But the scientific revolution proceeded too fast when Einstein discovered in 1905 that rest mass (m) of atoms is stored energy (E):

. . . . . . . . . . E = mc^2

That landmark discovery was used as a tool of human destruction in WWII, and worldwide fear of nuclear annihilation disrupted the upward advancement of human evolution frightening world leaders to limit mankind’s knowledge of abundant and free atomic energy that powers the Sun and the cosmos.

Although Einstein’s discovery might have united physics with spirituality, explaining why the whole universe is alive, humming with a fundamental vibration recognized centuries earlier in meditation as:

. . . . . . . . . . ommmmmm

Hiroshima & Nagasaki were destroyed on 6 & 9 Aug 1945 and nations and national academies of sciences were united on 24 Oct 1945 in a desperate but futile attempt to save the world from nuclear annihilation by hiding the source of energy that powers atomic bombs, the Sun, galactic cores, and the expanding universe from the public:

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2016/12/31/warning-to-trump-dont-approve-gmo-pesticide-fda-horror-show/#comment-199361

That is how Einstein’s 1905 discovery disrupted humanity’s upward evolution and produced our tyrannical one-world government instead.

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By: Greg C. https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2017/01/09/the-fallacy-of-circular-reasoning-a-vast-infection-in-public-discourse/#comment-27119 Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:06:04 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=16891#comment-27119 Those who use circular reasoning are desperate to believe in the narrative in question, and to have others believe in it too. Logic is not their friend. The narrative is all they have, poor devils.

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