You made it worth it by basically coming full circle and endorsing the very point he was making. Now you know what the back of your head looks like.

Many related the same things in the JFK hit. 50 witnesses on one point. That is uncontestable. Many say they saw/heard a shot from the grassy knoll. That does not mean other shots did not come from other areas. but that atleast 1 came from the knoll seems trustworhty to me. Many reported that the limo slowed down to a crawl near that knoll or stopped. Some think a rolling stop is a stop and some thinks its a crawl. We’re splitting hairs for definition. That’s all!

that you can even dispute the value of multiple witnesses speaks volumes about you object that I would not give the time of day. Sorry troll. Truth1 out! Hey, what took ya so long to respond?

“Never said a concert did not take place.” Well, flyinggabriel already rather amusingly refuted this claim. In other words, you did effectively say so by simply agreeing with Ozzie that there is “no real evidence of said event” when Ozzie was referring both to the concert and shooting. That’s the only reasonable conclusion the reader can come to without further specificity.

Eyewitness testimony is second tier to physical evidence generally, sure, but that’s when you have direct access to the physical evidence and control of the crime scene (or can trust those who do). Which, here, for us, needless to say, is far from the case.

“should the sum of evidence have contradictions”…Right, you and others pushing “nobody died/was wounded” theories with certainty after these events ought to consider the sum of evidence. Instead, you hone in on what you think is evidence of fakery and then dismiss anything that would be evidence of a real attack as non-evidence. Contrary accounts from those who claim to be survivors are automatically thrown out, not because of objectively obvious crisis acting, but because they have to be lying to fit your theory. You’ve made a decision that it was a total fake, but this is a logical leap beyond what you can be certain of given your lack of direct access to an uncompromised crime scene and the totality of evidence.

As Jon has stated, “know what you don’t know.” And as he tried to cram through your skull, just because two scenarios appear to contradict doesn’t mean it can’t be both. Some seeming contradictions are not mutually exclusive, true contradictions. Others are. Understand the difference. For example, fakery/staging/acting filmed along with a real attack — not mutually exclusive; only one lone shooter in one location vs. multiple shooters in different locations — mutually exclusive. Remember that drills are often vectors for real attacks, as on 9/11/2001 and 7/7/2005 (I think I’ve graduated beyond level 101 in false flag psyops, thank you).

“Whether Ozzie’s every point was right or not, most were”…No, he made two basic claims, that there was no evidence he deemed compelling to meet his standard of proof a) that the concert took place and b) that there was a shooting. The earlier statement that he hadn’t seen evidence of promotion can be nested in the first claim. As it is apparent there was promotion, the whole of claim “a” is shown to be that much more nonsensical. If you think the concert in question did occur, then you are already dismissing half of Ozzie’s statement.

As to what Ozzie’s personal standard of proof would be for either a) or b), this cannot objectively be deemed right or wrong, but could be judged reasonable or not. He does not make any points that are “right”, and I don’t find his assessment to be reasonable, especially that we must meet his undefined standard of proof that anything but a stageplay happened at all if we are to continue discussing the case; all the more so given that he appears to have made little effort to look for the evidence he demands.

I’m not sure what you mean by “real people’s names”… Names of those officially killed were released, and some of those injured were interviewed, with names, etc. What is it that would allow you to definitively distinguish between them being genuine or people with fake identities? It just sounds like more begging the question — they’re assumed to be fake to match your total-fake theory.

In an earlier comment I made under Jon’s “Vegas shooting: real vs. fake” article I warned of the fake-event narrative being pushed and spread and what that would lead to:

“Care is especially important here because the effort to uncover and expose the truth of these events is poisoned by the “it’s fake, nobody died, they’re all actors” narrative that has come to be at-the-ready following any of these attacks. It’s a great way to tarnish those questioning the official versions as callous, insensitive, paranoid-delusional, and generally disgusting.”

Lo and behold, look at what’s been happening: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/26/las-vegas-shooting-conspiracy-theories-social-media

(Just do a search for “vegas conspiracy theorists” and most of the top results are articles about angry trolls calling the victims/survivors actors and going after them)

These are vile, useful idiots going and doing a big favor to those trying to cover up the reality of what happened in Vegas (and other events) and the who and why behind it. Tarnish, tarnish, tarnish the truth seekers and send people back into the waiting hands of Big Brother MSM. That’s why I believe professional disinfo operatives have been rabidly pushing fake-event / crisis actor narratives online.

I also wondered in that earlier comment whether a primary objective of Sandy Hook was to get the ball rolling on the “fake/hoax event” idea and then build that meme over time until you have “fake event” hysteria overtaking and discrediting the truth community / independent media.

Well wouldn’t you know, Newsweek has a version of the harassment story (http://www.newsweek.com/las-vegas-conspiracy-theory-accusations-hurting-shooting-victims-693661) that actually mentions that “Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones called the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting…a ‘hoax'” and uses this as context for the current social media trolling of Vegas survivors/family, adding that “The reach of well-known conspiracy theorists like Jones is massive…” Similarly, this version from Salon (https://www.salon.com/2017/10/27/and-now-conspiracy-theorists-are-threatening-las-vegas-shooting-survivors/) also name-drops Jones at the end with an external link, after mentioning previous “online abusers” following the Sandy Hook and Pulse nightclub events.

So in the media the current fakery-possessed trolls are traced back to Sandy Hook skeptics and associated with Alex Jones, and all of the above are associated with “conspiracy theorists” in general (i.e. those questioning/rejecting official versions). That’s how the game is played.

And yet the official story continues to unravel… https://www.activistpost.com/2017/11/massive-vegas-twist-report-puts-cops-outside-shooters-door-attack-started.html

-CPP

I can’t help but notice that you are avoiding admitting the signs and symptoms that should be everywhere in the video clips I have seen, not only, during but some examining after. No bullet hole marks. Dealy Plaza in Dallas had bullet marks embedded in concrete. The kitchen RFK was in, looked like swiss cheese for all the bullet in the walls and doors. But not one in the outdoor arena of Lost Vegas. I saw no blood anywhere. I did not see that many people, either. I saw heard of many contradictions.

Well, CCCP, I think you should take a course in false flag psyops 101. Avoid Universities and take some logic courses, too. I got a double major from the College of Hard Knocks. It was the best degree I ever got. Let me guess, you had vaccines when you were young. I understand. Never trust government or the Media or the vague Status Quo.

Ozzie graduated with honors in Logic and Evidence 101. You ought to ask him if he’d be willing to tutor you. Look, you got no where to go but up.

Joe is in his house alone. Bob is video-recorded entering the house, then leaving the house. Jill then enters the house and finds Joe murdered. No one actually sees Bob kill Joe and no tangible evidence is found directly linking Bob to the murder (DNA, fingerprints, Joe’s blood on Bob’s clothes). The evidence against him is circumstantial only, but is strong enough evidence to consider him the prime suspect.

And hearsay refers to second hand accounts. Direct eye-witness testimony is not hearsay.

Ozzie then asks for “concrete” evidence not only that a shooting occurred but that the concert took place at all (a multi-day, multi-artist, annually recurring event no less) and expects to be taken seriously, given his demonstrated understanding of how to assess evidence. Who’s insulting whose intelligence?

And in his earlier comment he states that he found no evidence the concert was promoted. Apparently he didn’t look very hard:

Here are a couple examples of promotional pages for the 2017 Route 91 Harvest Festival:

http://www.excite.com/events/concert-tickets/Route-91-Harvest-Festival/index.php

http://kfrog.cbslocal.com/2017/08/30/route-91-harvest-festival-2017-schedule/

Here are the same pages at pre-event dates via the Wayback Machine:

June 09, 2017

http://web.archive.org/web/20170609175507/http://www.excite.com/events/concert-tickets/Route-91-Harvest-Festival/index.php

Sept. 09, 2017

http://web.archive.org/web/20170909190702/http://kfrog.cbslocal.com/2017/08/30/route-91-harvest-festival-2017-schedule/

Those like yourself are falling for an agenda to cause a dissociation from reality in truth-seeking segments of the populace — to send them over the deep end, in other words. Earth is flat, all celebrities are Illuminati emissaries, all terror-type events are whole-cloth “fake”, wherein any victims or witnesses are also “fake” (i.e. in on it). Any family, friends and associates who act as though said victims and witnesses are real are also in on the ever-expanding conspiracy in which everyone but your mother is a crisis actor. Add in the notion in this case that an annual, multi-day concert might well have been a hoax, and pretend it plausible that a bunch of country music performers and all their people are also in on the big bamboozle. Quite a trick, that.

You might as well just go all-in: Las Vegas doesn’t actually exist. It’s just an artificial mirage in the desert generated by hologram technology invented by Nicola Tesla’s secret twin sister when she was six years old. When you visit “Vegas” and approach the hologram, you traverse an invisible jump gate that takes you to Neptune. That’s where “Vegas” is. What happens there stays there because nobody ever leaves. The Neptunians just send clones back to Earth. Yes, Carrot Top, Celine Dion and Cirque du Soleil are Neptunian…so are most magicians. It all makes sense.