Comments on: Pleasure vs. pain in the programmed society https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2019/03/11/pleasure-vs-pain-in-programmed-society/ NoMoreFakeNews.com Thu, 19 Dec 2019 13:52:30 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.2.10 By: truth1 https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2019/03/11/pleasure-vs-pain-in-programmed-society/#comment-44593 Sat, 23 Mar 2019 15:27:50 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=22529#comment-44593 Well, preaching to the choir is good. No one else wants to hear what we say. at least we each know that there is at least on other who “sees” and “knows.” and harsh reality will be coming to all, sooner or later. For us, its already here. We get it.

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By: truth1 https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2019/03/11/pleasure-vs-pain-in-programmed-society/#comment-44592 Thu, 21 Mar 2019 05:12:32 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=22529#comment-44592 Well, I love the idea of our own currency. But I see it as the most out of reach option. At least with arable land, we would not be at the mercy of ruthless employers. I would love to see an end to Encyclopedia sized building codes. If I can live happily in an 8 by 16 shed then why tons of buidling requirements that do not even allow residence for double that. What good is land when you can’t do anything you might want to do on it. Your neighbors get to boss you around. In fact, in San Fran, buidling codes are the mean to keep the poor/Chinese out of the sight of the rich.
the process of “Dynastic Inheritance,” whereby landlords evict residents, renovate and jack the rents to that only the young of the rich can afford them. Building codes drive prices thru the roof. Land must not have any rules or regulations that effectively deny the use of the land.
So I would settle for a modest victory, but I need not worry. Its all a fairly tale. I is and be a slave on the plantation.Now I guts to finish my quota of cotton or I be gettin a good whupping by the boss.

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By: Erika https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2019/03/11/pleasure-vs-pain-in-programmed-society/#comment-44591 Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:06:56 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=22529#comment-44591 Agree, actual land ownership, not renting from the government. (eleanor Roosevelt boasted that they were eliminating private property)
They were considering such a thing in Indiana and Ohio..

On top of that we need our own currency, preferably diverse currencies.Barter may be the only way though to stop the manipulators. I know of s3veral people who started upa barter ring but were shut down by the corrupt FBI.The idea is that if federal reserve notes are not changing hands, it can’t be taxed.

We have a set of aristocrats called CORPORATIONS with special rights and privileges under law, using the government to shut down innovation and to steal money to line their pockets.
I have often wondered if CORPORATION was not the image of the beast..and the US in fact the revived Roman Empire. If either one of us did what a corporation does, and ran our lives solely to benefit ourselves and garner profit, regardless of the cost to others…we would be sitting in jail.

I find it fascinating that Americans have to lie to themselves about how “free” they are.
The truth is Americans are chattel, we are livestock.
When the government can coerce you to vaccinate your child, when they can force propaganda down their throat in public schools, when you are not free to enjoy the fruits of your labor without having the government mafia dictate what you are allowed to keep- you are not free, but less than a serf, because at least serfs had some right to the land.

Probably preaching to the choir..

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By: truth1 https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2019/03/11/pleasure-vs-pain-in-programmed-society/#comment-44590 Sun, 17 Mar 2019 05:53:00 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=22529#comment-44590 “Better to own the means of production and the fruits of that production, selling them then to sell yourself like a prostitute.” Well said, Erika. Land ownership without property taxes, is the only possible freedom allowing for self sufficiency relatively speaking among a community of the same. This accomplishes a sort of equality that the left is always harping on, when they really mean just the opposite.

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By: petergrafstrm https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2019/03/11/pleasure-vs-pain-in-programmed-society/#comment-44589 Fri, 15 Mar 2019 10:21:57 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=22529#comment-44589 Michael Burns
Here an extract from the magna carta clause 61
“..if we, or our Justiciary, or our bailiffs, or any of our officers, shall have injured any one in any thing, or shall have violated any article of the peace or security[5], and the injury shall have been shown to four of the aforesaid twenty-five Barons, the said four Barons shall come to us, or to our Justiciary if we be out of the kingdom, and making known to us the excess committed, petition that we cause that excess to be redressed without delay[6].

And if we shall not have redressed the excess, or, if we have been out of the kingdom, our Justiciary shall not have redressed it within the term of forty days [7], computing from the time when it shall have been made known to us, or to our Justiciary if we have been out of the kingdom, the aforesaid four Barons, shall lay that cause before the residue of the twenty-five Barons;

and they, the twenty-five Barons, with the community of the whole land[8], shall distress and harass us by all the ways in which they are able[9]; that is to say, by the taking of our castles, lands, and possessions[10], and by any other means in their power..”

The result is in the historical record. Privatised wars.
Someone pointed out that with a strong monarch, disputes could have been settled without the series of bloodbaths that ensued.
So the magna carta distributed power to an assortment of oligarchs who, due to the weakness of the monarchy would struggle for power.
But this clause 61 is often omitted in the discussion.

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By: Erika https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2019/03/11/pleasure-vs-pain-in-programmed-society/#comment-44588 Fri, 15 Mar 2019 00:52:32 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=22529#comment-44588 Secondly read what Jefferson and Lincoln actually thought about wage labour (employment).
You must have a fairly slim grasp of history.
https://elpidiovaldes.wordpress.com/2017/12/18/wage-slavery-a-quick-history/

Apparently you do not even know what collectivism is…and confuse a critique of RENTING ONESELF OUT like Chattel with collectivism.
Not owning your own time is a form of collectivism
Better to own the means of production and the fruits of that production, selling them then to sell yourself like a prostitute.

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By: petergrafstrm https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2019/03/11/pleasure-vs-pain-in-programmed-society/#comment-44587 Thu, 14 Mar 2019 23:51:19 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=22529#comment-44587 You foulmouthed creep. Ok when I wrote the previous comment I checked the spelling and found this item
http://www.magna-charta.org
Now I noted that it wasnt the english one from the 1200s
So wrong spelling. Big deal.
And you just quoted the version for the plebs where the 61st item isnt explained. You are supposed to swallow all those lofty phrases.
The 61st when read till you have understood it is what meant that they the barons~oligarchs were now allowed to start private wars and that is what happened. But it sometimes takes a lawyer to sift out what such a text means so it may not be immediately apparent to us laymen

Your reference to Kreml only goes to show that you are some mediocre spook. Being in denial about the corporate and financial power cartels which means the Us form of capitalism is monopoly capitalism. Do you believe Apple started in a garage? And that microsoft was the result of individual enterpreneurship? Thats all for public consumption but in reality they just create an illusion to hide that it is just your oligarchy which uses the advantages obtained from taxpayerfunded military industrial complex output, so the illusion of the Us being truly capitalist may be maintained.

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By: Erika https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2019/03/11/pleasure-vs-pain-in-programmed-society/#comment-44586 Thu, 14 Mar 2019 23:09:13 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=22529#comment-44586 Not a Russian….i actually had the misfortune to spend 30 years watching the federal government in washington DC where both of my parents worked for federal government.
Seeing the corruption of the workings of that government is what led to my contempt..

BTW ARISTOTLE was the one who coined the termoligarchy..was he Russian too?

The other term for it is plutocracy.

Federal government has been taken over BY corporate interests to serve corporate interests. ( i am not sure it ever actually represented the people, considering how the federal government used the national guard to murder striking coal workers in the before time, i think it has always been a plutocracy)
What we have is crony capiitalism (or vulture capitalism if you prefer)not “free market” capitalism.

I am sick and tired of my tax dollars being raided to line the pockets of big business.

Recently in my state, they raided and stripped the education fund to give a huge tax break to a military industrial complex corporation- then did an end run around the populace- raising land taxes across the board to make up the shortfall.
I have been watching this kind of nonsense go on for too long.

That and watching country after country invaded using tax dollars while we get austerity measures at home.

The federal government DOES NOT in any way shape or form actually represent the will of the people…it does however represent big business.
Do go to a search engine and find the study shhowing that the US is an OLIGARCHY for yourself.
https://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4

https://youtu.be/T6a87L_f7js

As for employment- back when the industrial revolution was getting seriously underway, the working class KNEW that wage work was demeaning and not an equal exchange. They deeply resented it. It has taken a century of indoctrination in public school to make people think this is a natural thing.

Most od us would prefer self suficiency and freedom.

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By: Michael Burns https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2019/03/11/pleasure-vs-pain-in-programmed-society/#comment-44585 Thu, 14 Mar 2019 20:18:54 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=22529#comment-44585 Listen stupid, its Magna Carta, not Magna Charta, the great rule of law the charter of liberties, freedoms, is a document that set the basis for future common law.

It was not an Oligarchic” arrangement to start private wars, it was a charter of rights agreed upon by the unpopular John of England, an honest leader whom repelled the upstart and rebellious barons —  it set guideline for feudal payments to the crown. It set down jurisdictional boundaries of ownership. It protected the common people in those lands owned by barons. It set up a council to oversee such matters of such and an agreement. In fact it brought peace, until a latter french insurgency.

Freedom is not given here like your home country, it is a right of every citizen to be free.

They are not educating you trolls enough, you bark on with same old diatribe about the U.S. and UK and the west and your left-wing nut ideas and accusations…but in the end you despise us because we are free.

The Kremlin and truth is an oxymoron, a kleptocratic oxymoron…and you are just a run of the mill moron. Now go away.

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By: petergrafstrm https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2019/03/11/pleasure-vs-pain-in-programmed-society/#comment-44584 Wed, 13 Mar 2019 22:54:19 +0000 https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/?p=22529#comment-44584 It’s from greek and means rule by the few, doesnt have to be formal government. The Magna Charta which caused England to be dragged into centuries of bloody feuds was in a sense an oligarchic arrangement so they could start private wars.
It wasnt what people have been taught, appart from some nicesounding catchphrases.
The freedom your oligarchs give you is to prevent a healthy life so millions of people actually die from medication. Due to the snake oil salesmen. It is the result of the Rockefellers lifelong efforts to gain more and more power.
I doubt that Russia needs ‘bots’ since the truth is on their side. Any decent human being can do the job. If they would together military units they wouldnt have to he conmen like the Us/Uk military tesms who troll the web.
I dont think you are genuine yourself btw. You are putting up some act I think.

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